Install Guidance Signs – Recovery.org

AdvanceNotice: Install Guidance Signs

$5,000,000


Project Type:	AdvanceNotice
Project Owner:	San Diego County Regional Airport Authority
Location:	California, United States, San Diego (CA), San Diego (CA), 92101
Estimated Value:	$5,000,000
Estimated Jobs:	N/A - Congressional Budget Office As compared with 54 - White House Council of Economic Advisors
Category:	Signage Services and Hardware
Market Sector:	State/Municipal
Bid Number:	SAN - 058
Publication Date:	03/27/2009
Description:	FEDERAL ECONOMIC RECOVERY SPENDING. State: CA. City: San Diego. Worksite: San Diego Intl. SEQ: SAN - 058. Sponsor: San Diego County Regional Airport Authority. OST: 09-128. Econ. Recovery/Total Amount: $ 5000000. Project Summary: Install Guidance Signs.

Vote on this Project

Here is what 713 people think:

11.1% - Worthwhile (79 Votes)

18 - Energy Efficiency
17 - Environmental
26 - Long-Term Value
18 - Short-Term Value

88.9% - Unnecessary (634 Votes)

209 - Fraud/Abuse
134 - Not Competitive
291 - Too Costly

Comments (92)

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Ted Pearson

Nov-16-2009 10:39:05 AM

Californians sure need a lot of guidance.

Harv

Oct-04-2009 12:37:45 AM

The thing that bothers me is that taxpayers are never notified of expenditures (good or bad) before they occur. If you are intelligent enough to respond to this web site then you have to be aware of the fact that when the fed's spend our money we get a dime worth on the dollar. This is just bad policy. The money is used to keep jobs already in jepordy, not create new jobs. Essentially, we are paying to keep jobs that may need to be terminated in the future and no new jobs are being created.

Dave Smith

Nov-23-2009 10:19:19 PM

Reply to Harv : Harv is 100% correct. Didn't think I see anyone sensible on a government site!

Pete

Oct-03-2009 06:53:22 AM

Evan, u r a typical California mindless jurk.

Jerry

Oct-03-2009 06:51:22 AM

It would be cheaper to buy eveyone a GPS

Leif

Aug-03-2009 02:23:40 PM

Evan--first of all, I think that the economy in California is beyond anyones comprehension (obviously including you because your facts are wrong)--including our state and local government (look at the budget mess!)...so you can make a power-point and present your pearls of wisdom to our elected officials. Maybe drop the Southern accent while you're at it. Of course education is important, but how does that apply to this specific project and its short-term value?

Julie

Jul-31-2009 02:34:10 PM

What would Adam Carolla do?

evan

Jul-31-2009 01:47:13 PM

Sorry, I take that all back. Here I was thinking I could delete the comment - sorry I lost my temper.

evan

Jul-31-2009 01:41:33 PM

California's economy is clearly beyond y'alls comprehension so I'll try to interject as much southern slang as possible. If California would be so short-sighted as to secede you could very easily lose 15% of your GDP. Wouldn't you miss suitably taxed Hollywood, fresh produce and good wine? I bet we'd be willing to provide import tariff vouchers on computers to the Bible Belt; educating your children has got to be our top priority if we'd ever like to read the comments here without eye-rolls.

Leif IV

Jul-30-2009 04:18:51 PM

First of all, I think that any type of job creation, at this point, is positive. However, I agree with those who are concerned about the future of these 54 workers--beyond putting up the signs. The federal funding reminds me too much of the non-profit sector where many programs and their designs are flawed--therefore wasting money/time/resources...and focusing on short-term as opposed to sustainable solutions. This is wasteful--not the project, but the amount it costs.

James

Jul-21-2009 02:46:26 PM

It would be unique if I could spent 2 or 3 times my anual income like our government is and has been doing.

Jul-21-2009 10:25:55 AM

Reply to Rob- Somebody has to make the signs, and transport the signs and feed the workers putting up the signs etc. Some signs aren't going to save the world, but griping about it isn't either. Reply to Joel Stephany - It's working fine for me, what have you heard? It sounds more like a personal problem. Care to quantify as nicely as possible what your beef is?

Joel Stephany

Jul-21-2009 12:14:55 PM

Reply to Al : It's quite simple. Not that long ago, we were outsourcing our roads to private contractors. There has been excellent work done that saved the taxpayers, but now it's back in the hands of the state and D.O.T. Again, waste after waste. If you think Washington is efficient, then I have a hammer to sell you for $500,000.

Jim

Aug-03-2009 04:40:32 PM

Reply to Al : Feed the workers? I wish I would have been fed by my boss.

Joel Stephany

Jul-21-2009 10:02:43 AM

To all my naive liberal friends.........how's that hope and change working out for you? I'm no fan of GB, but BO is even more of an imbecile. Just keep in mind what Obame stands for......One Big A.. Mistake For America.

Rob

Jul-20-2009 03:15:01 PM

Think about it Al, 54 new jobs for what, about 3 weeks then guess what... all the signs are up! Where's the long-term benefit from that? And for 5 million of our tax-payer dollars? Hardly seems logical

Jul-20-2009 12:49:41 PM

Hey Doug- are you an economist or something? You seem pretty confident.

Andy

Jul-20-2009 07:52:58 AM

Let's see, an even $5,000,000 for this project? Why not $4,899,638.52?

Doug Slay

Jul-20-2009 07:27:04 AM

This project will create NO new long term jobs nor do anything to stimulate/grow the failing economy.

Just Do it

Jul-19-2009 03:23:48 PM

I assume the comment below is trying to be funny which is better than a lot of the anger on the other comments, but probably still not all that appropriate. I'm not really sure what they are saying, but I for one think that money needs to get spent on this sort of thing from time to time so why not do it now when times are tough. Yes, it's a lot of money and no, not all govt project are as efficient as they could be, but why all the griping about the cost of road-signs now? Last year who cared?

Lee

Jul-21-2009 11:20:31 PM

Reply to Just Do it : Money that is supposed to 'stimulate' the economy is supposed to do just that. NOT, create projects that would last a few weeks if anything. After the job is complete, what can be shown for that $5 million? Why don't you ask your children or grandchildren, or better yet, take a picture so you can show what their money went towards...when they're jobless because of all this wasteful spending.

Paul

Jul-19-2009 09:44:52 AM

PLEASE DO NOT HIT THE MEXICANS. What are these people doing crossing the FREEWAY???

Jul-14-2009 12:17:19 PM

It is remarkable how much less complaining I heard when we spent 700+ billion on invading Iraq instead of building stuff over here. Not that it excuses either waste.

Steve

Jul-15-2009 09:30:13 AM

Reply to Al : Amen!

Steve

Jul-16-2009 06:34:43 AM

Reply to Steve : So because we spent in the past, spend even more now! I'm sure we can bankrupt this country just like Cali.

Dominic

Jul-20-2009 09:00:21 AM

Reply to Al : Al: I am surprised by the number of people that were against spending a ridiculous amount on a war in Iraq but are ok with spending this amount of money on road signs that does nothing to actually stimulate the economy as promised. Stop government spending while we are in debt whether its war or road signs...

T-bone

Oct-30-2009 11:34:02 AM

Reply to Al : But, at least in theory, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will end. The Government spending will go on forever.

Ralph

Jul-13-2009 09:26:24 AM

I'm stun about the careless handling of Tax money and the future of California ! Our Company proposed many , many times for a water solution program . We call it the All Califonia Solution . With the money what they WASTE for this poorly developed Salt Water Plant in San Diego we could provide thousands of new workplaces and water for a whole region in South California . Without pollution, no waste dumped in the ocean ... Ralph Hofmeier Powermax Energy Inc. Miami www.powermaxus.com/docs/

Don J

Jul-12-2009 08:32:00 PM

It's interesting how many zeros are involved here. We have become desensitized to all the zeros. That's part of the problem.

Dana

Jul-12-2009 07:21:15 AM

Holy Cow! Lot of hear say and personal vendettas. I don't see anything that tells me clearly what this project encompasses. It does appear to be an effort to improve safety at the airport. To know whether it worthwhile you'd need more information and something to compare it with. Safety does sound like a good idea though. Just hope it didn't take precedence over something more important.

Lee

Jul-21-2009 11:25:17 PM

Reply to Dana : I understand that some projects are necessary. However, projects are supposed to go in our budget and not in a 'stimulus' package. Our taxpayer money is supposed to help with the growth of jobs. The only way we can do this is with a capitalist society, which our country was built on. Our government should allow the people to get themselves out of it and not try to run the show. Ask yourself, what government agency actully was successful? Social Security? Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae? Any!

Thaddeus

Aug-13-2009 01:50:31 PM

Reply to Lee : Agencies actually successful? DOT, DOE, DOJ, IRS, FAA, NWS, NASA (before Bush), I guess I should note they were all much more effective before the bush administration and will be much better now. Dana, thanks for your intelligent and decent comment. I guess you're not one of the "naive liberal friends", as addressed above, just a thinking person. I'm so tired of these ignorant, short sighted, self-interested goofballs.

Jane

Apr-21-2010 02:46:58 PM

Reply to Dana : I'm not sure why the airport authority would need 5 million dollars for signage. Being suspicious, I imagine they want to do advertising for their other airport projects... relocation, etc.

Carol

Jul-10-2009 10:28:12 AM

When will we have our fill of this kind of governing in government? Taking over private sectors they know nothing about. Signing bills not read and CZARS??? We are NOT living in the USA our forefathers fought for, are we?! This government should be abolished.

Jul-10-2009 08:31:40 PM

Reply to Carol : I'm no huge fan of government, but just to be clear, you ARE talking about the cultural chaos and infrastructure in rubble left over by the last administration and not the efforts to dig us out by this one right? I mean they are just throwing money at it, but something has to be done now that we're in such a deep deep hole.

Theresa

Jul-14-2009 09:26:06 AM

Reply to Carol : Carol, No, King George should have been dethroned YEARS before he placed us into such a mess. Govt is in chaos & I wouldn't like to be Oba,a for anything. He has to work with Congress/ Senate so this is not all his doing.

Mario

Jul-20-2009 10:10:50 AM

Reply to Al : Doing something now? If a person is bleeding on the side of a road are you going to cut him up an make him bleed more? Technically, you've done something. This is exactly what's happening right now. THIS IS NOT STIMULUS!

Lee

Jul-21-2009 11:30:27 PM

Reply to Al : We can say much about the former administration, and I would agree that they made mistakes. However, printing money until they have no more ink will not help our situation. It's like saying I must have money cause I still got checks. What is happening, and going to happen if our government keeps spending like this is that we are going to go bankrupt. Our government is already selling our bonds to China. Stimulus money should not go to frivolous projects, but the growth of jobs

Murray

Jul-10-2009 09:38:50 AM

I understand that less than 600 signs are being installed. This is a classic case of a boondoggle but what do you expect when you don't take the time to read the bill your signing. We must get rid of this congress, red and blue as these people are not representing us. As each day passes I feel more like a subject than a citizen.

Jimmyjim

Jul-09-2009 07:58:43 PM

I hope all you un-american a-holes r happy...

Carol

Jul-10-2009 10:07:32 AM

Reply to Jimmyjim : Your response was put as clear as my husband would out it. I share the thought. Thanks, Carol

foobar

Jul-09-2009 04:29:03 AM

This item shows up in the 'Most Worthwhile' and 'Most Unnecessary'. From looking at the votes, there are very few 'Most Worthwhile' project which causes some of the unnecessary to show in both places.

bureaucratcritic

Jun-25-2009 07:18:43 AM

This is hilarious, and we the people lay back and allow it. This is the same Airport Authority that spent $100,000 to build elaborate survey kiosks throughout the terminals so that you can fill out a survey card and tell them how they are doing. Supposedly the executive director is an egomaniac running his own kingdom. His employees hate him and the taxpayers should loath him.

Last hardworking american

Jun-25-2009 07:06:35 AM

Imagine, if this project never existed, how your life would be affected. They could have taken all the billions in handouts and built a singular national monument like a statue of liberty or the worlds tallest building. At lest then we would have something to show for it. What an incredible waste.

Dave

Jun-24-2009 07:28:59 PM

Change you can believe in! I did what I could. I voted for the other guy!

Paul

Jul-06-2009 01:22:09 PM

Reply to Dave : This is at the California state level not federal. Talk to Arnold. I guess since Halliburton is not getting the billions wrapped in a bow like they got from the last adminitsration, something must be going on.

Dan

Jul-09-2009 04:03:16 PM

Reply to Paul : Hey Paul, Last time I checked California had a Democrat controlled congress. Kinda reminds you of Washington DC don't it. Spend, Spend, Spend: oh gee how we gonna pay for it? I know, let's raise TAXES.

Conan

Jul-10-2009 07:42:34 AM

Reply to Dan : How much are the occupations costing us (monthly)? I do believe it's a bit more than this insignificant project. How did our last administration decide to pay for the occupations? Oh yeah, borrow it from China. These occupations are benefiting us how? Oh yeah, by racking up hundreds of billions of dollars of debt. Not to mention all the soldiers we've lost. When you point a finger you've got three pointing right back at you.

Allison

Jun-18-2009 02:07:35 PM

Replace them, yes perhaps, but $5m to do it? NO - no way it costs THAT much.

Lucas Boucher

Jun-14-2009 08:21:38 AM

Reading Miranda Right in a war Zone? Paying 200 million to a pacific island? Why not pay me 200 million? Down with Obama, Down with big Government. Enough of this.

Tim

Jun-09-2009 05:40:20 PM

Well, it is nice that the project till employ 65 people, but what happens when the project is over? It likely will only take 6 months to install the signs, then those 65 people will either have to find another government project to do or go unemployed.

Helene

Jun-08-2009 07:06:02 AM

Well, any project could be a good thing if meaningfull and executed properly. So CA gets 5mil, how about taking the list of "welfare recipients" and say for your welfare money you will get trained and work on this project. That is money CA is already spending, that takes the 5 mil and spreads it over greater depth of the population, makes it last longer and still gets the necessary infrastructure job done. Come on guys instead of being critical - let put forth some solutions.

katablogdotcom

Jun-09-2009 08:30:42 PM

Reply to Helene : Beginning solution for CA: dump the social services for illegal aliens. That will save millions per year. Hows that for a solution?

Dean

Jun-13-2009 09:01:17 PM

Reply to Helene : helene,your right .were already paying them so let them do some work.frees up a professional or two.some of us worked are asses of and continue to do so too make a desent living!!no I dont work for the gov.and hopefully I never will,I still believe in you get what you work for

theresa

Jul-14-2009 09:29:39 AM

Reply to Helene : I think you are right. Make all welfare recipients ( those that can work) PROVE 100% that theyu are loooking for work or have the govt. ( like FDR) put them to work.

Ryan W

Jun-05-2009 10:07:14 PM

The signs might not be that beneficial, but they key is to get money into the hands of US workers, and fast. Of course tax cuts are the easiest way to do that. Tax cuts dont facilitate the creation of more government jobs though.

katablogdotcom

Jun-09-2009 08:28:47 PM

Reply to Ryan W : LOL, then simply give US Workers $30,000.00 each and be done with the sieving off to pay for administration and kickbacks.

Old Dave

Jun-10-2009 12:34:07 PM

Reply to Ryan W : You make it sound like more government jobs would be a good thing. The government only knows how to collect and spend money. They dont know how to create jobs. Ask Biden. He doesn`t know how many letters are in the word jobs. Count em Joe: 1, 2, 3, 4.

Jun-15-2009 09:16:02 AM

Reply to Ryan W : It would be interesting to see the percentage of these jobs that go to private VS. public sector employees. There is a tipping point where the private sector will no longer be able to support the public sector.

SweetGeorgiaVine

Jul-10-2009 12:43:40 PM

Reply to Ed : Very well said, Ed.

Chris

Jun-04-2009 06:04:03 PM

Signs for what? Is this the BEST that San Diego could come up with to use $5,000,000.00??!! Pathetic.

Am a Democrat

Jun-04-2009 07:54:04 AM

$5M for signage! Are they using Gold Leaf or studding them with diamonds?

Bill Pfeiffer

Jun-04-2009 06:21:21 AM

I wonder who in congress lives in California to get the amount of money they now have!

Not A Democrat

May-30-2009 11:53:26 AM

Listen up guys, any money spent here will go further than the money we spend in Iraq or Afghanistan where we are continue the republican started war under false pretense and bunch of lies. Sure people will not like the work this adminstration is doing to try to halt the slide.....

Brad

May-31-2009 09:55:02 AM

Reply to Not A Democrat : War is bad, but there are things that are worse. As far as benefiting the economy, money spent building bombs and airplanes is more stimulating than almost anything else that the government does. With all due respect, CA is broke. Giving them our money to put up signs seems like a low priority waste... they must have thousands of better uses for my money. (I suspect that they could just stop giving money to homless bums and afford the signs)

Mirac

Jun-10-2009 05:54:31 AM

Reply to Not A Democrat : So we can comapre ths money to the war money? OK can you tell me who had appropiated 200 million tax dollars to Palau for the prisoners released from gitmo? Yes your wonder boy and his admin have pledged this money , so I have to answer, with folks out of work and losing thjeir homes 200 million for terrorists is making you happy too? Lets see you blame Bush for these facts?

Scott

Jul-21-2009 07:29:43 PM

Reply to Not A Democrat : This is a rediculous argument! "Money spent on signs is better than money spent in Afganistan or Iraq". You idiot, in case you havent noticed YOUR boy Obama hasnt finished one promise on ending the war efforts. So this is 5,000,000 tax payer dollars on top of that $. All so he can promote something he did promise, more taxes, more government and a lot more B.S. Thanks for the change!

Claude

Jul-29-2009 08:39:45 AM

Reply to Not A Democrat : I was in New York City last week I went to ground zero. I saw hundreds of pictures of the people who died. They were American citizens. The loss of life of Pearl Harbor was not much greater than the loss of life when the towers fell. I don't think we spent nearly enough on the war in Iraq. I'm for keeping America safer. I don't feel safe now.

klb

May-30-2009 11:34:21 AM

Viki i belive the signs will be made in China!

Todd Stong

May-30-2009 10:57:14 AM

If the city made a prioritized lists of real needs, would putting up these signs even be on page 100?? This is pure waste, the begining of our checkbooks being used to fund Califoirnias outlandish lifestyle and horrendous number of non-producers (slugs)

Maria

May-29-2009 05:57:01 PM

Maybe they can employ welfare recipients that way California can shift some of the cost of that programs to the paid by Washington

Vicki

May-29-2009 11:15:52 AM

My last comment got truncated. At ~$77K per job, where can I apply?

Mark

Jun-17-2009 06:47:35 AM

Reply to Vicki : Vicki you have to remember that the employees do not get paid 77K. THere are lobbist and lawyers who also take their cut

Brewster

Jul-10-2009 11:36:26 AM

Reply to Vicki : Yep! $77K per year? Count me in as well!!! I'd love that kind of pay and oh by the way - I'm sure that comes with Great Benies! Right?

Vicki

May-29-2009 11:13:58 AM

Is this $5 million just for putting up the signs or does it include the cost of making the signs? What are these signs guiding to/from? How many signs will be put up?

Kyle

Jun-02-2009 10:44:06 AM

Reply to Vicki : I do not pretend to know precisely what this money allocation is for, but I do know a thing or two about airport lighting and signage. If you have ever flown into an airport at night you will thank your lucky stars that years of design and planning went into the lighting, signage and guidance systems so that your plane touched down safely on the airport. I believe this money is well spent.

SweetGeorgiaVine

Jul-10-2009 01:11:07 PM

Reply to Kyle : I've flown in at night and of course, glad planes have lights and signs to guide them...and sorry for asking, but never have been to this particular airport and cant help but wonder.....whats wrong with the lighting and signs that they have?

Joe Pipefitter

Jul-15-2009 07:49:43 AM

Reply to Vicki : $5,000,000/600 ea. signs installed=$8,333/sign. Avg Sign cost $1500 delivered to install site. Forman, crane operator, 2 laborers. F@$50/hr+CO@$45/hr+2 lab@$38.50/hr= Crew composite rate of $1466/day. Crane rent $800/day WT&I for the crew $1500 Labor cost /sign $4533 3.09 days avg. install time Burecrats will never be efficient. Vote no confidence in government. Joe Pipefitter

Johnny

May-28-2009 01:31:07 PM

Let the californians pay for their own signs. Why should all of us support their tax and spend policies.

Jason Lindsey

May-27-2009 09:47:47 PM

Although infrastructure grants are a necessary component to community stability and safety, $5,000,000 to put up signs and lights is a pure example of government waste and a sign, no pun intended, that recovery dollars dollars at risk of being taken advantage of. The high salary shows that whomever takes this public role, must first ask themselves is this how recovery dollars should be spent.

Mel

May-28-2009 09:16:52 AM

Reply to Jason Lindsey : If we really look at this stimulus package, its nothing more than social spending by the leaning left loonies who want to spend your tax dollars to improve their image. Roosevelt did it, Johnson did it, Carter did it, and now the biggest loser of all the Charlaton in sheeps clothing is pulling the wool over everyones eyes. Wake up folks. We need to start a revolution for smaller government.

Fred

May-29-2009 08:57:09 AM

Reply to Mel : Mel: Your comment is right on! We have elected a con artist! And he is a good one. I wonder when the people who voted for him will finally understand is up to.

Jake

May-29-2009 01:47:28 PM

Reply to Fred : This project is clearly a waste, but please enlighten me. What do *you* believe he is really up to?

Dennis

Jun-08-2009 04:23:11 AM

Reply to Fred : Reminds me of "Catch Me If You Can" except its a whole team from Obama to Pelosi and on down the line. We know where they are and what they are up to. How long before they are busted?

ken

May-26-2009 01:42:28 PM

The only guidance California needs is how to run a State. And Obama is using California as a roadmap to a successful U.S. Give me a break. Talk about fiscal irresponsibility..............

William

Jun-09-2009 09:01:27 AM

Reply to ken : Ken wrote: "talk about fiscal irresponsibility" Okay lets do that ..... an economy based on coal/oil .. doesnt get more irresponsible than that. Half of the oil consumed in America is waste. our income taxes going to GUARANTEE that Americans can CONTINUE to waste oil/coal

Old Dave

Jun-10-2009 12:29:45 PM

Reply to William : So what`s your answer? For every idea that comes down the pipe there is a downside. If you want to drive a solar-powered car, be my guest. You can park it on the 405 fwy in L.A. $950m wont fix that problem.

Debbie A

Jun-19-2009 11:13:57 AM

Reply to William : What Einstein??? How much land does it require to generate 1,000 mega watts of solar? 30 sq. miles. Wind would be 270 sq. miles in an unbroken line 50 stories in areas of great wind. This is based on 1,000 mega watts from a coal/nuclear plant that sits on 1 sq. mile. No we all cant have turbines in our back yard just as putting up solar panels is out. If you live in an area that doesnt get wind or solar consistently you get no electricity or not enough to supply an entire state. Nuclear is it.

Tim

May-26-2009 12:34:19 PM

Wonder if they can make one extra sign with a picture of a toilet that has "Stimulus $$$" shown flusing down. Thats exactly what this is. What a joke. Wish someone handed me their credit card so I could go on a spending rampage.

Jeff

May-29-2009 01:05:30 PM

Reply to Tim : Tim, They would just tell us it was a side benefit to improve the income of sewage treatment plant workers.

Carl Asher

May-21-2009 06:05:33 AM

Lets see; 5 million to put up signs. Creates 65 jobs, thats $76,923.00 per job. Now is a job, 1 person or ? Doesnt tell us does it. How many people does this boonedoggle employ and for how long?

Beachboy

May-20-2009 01:12:32 PM

What a ripoff!

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